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    • Profile PhotoMichael
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      @jeanpaul
      June 28, 2020 at 8:40 pm
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      #35354

      Hi, it’s so great to be here!

      I was kindly inquiring as to whether its possible to dissolve DATEM in cold water and if its not possible, would there be a way to do so.

      Regards,

      Jean-Paul

    • Profile PhotoZziwa
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      @kamos-bakehouse-ltd
      July 2, 2020 at 3:22 pm
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      #35446

      datem is insoluble in water though it can disperse in it ,if you want to dissolve it then alcohols forexmple methanol will do you wonders.

    • Profile PhotoMark Floerke
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      @independant-consultant
      July 2, 2020 at 3:33 pm
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      #35447

      Hello @jeanpaul,
      Thank you for your participation!  We have more information on DATEM in the Ingredients section as well.

      From my past experience, I know the beverage team uses DATEM in coffee creamers.  It will blend in cold liquid, but you need high shear mixing to do so, like an emulsion blender or similar.  I bread production it is usually blended with the flour and sugar.

      If there are any other ideas and experiences out there, I hope they will be shared as well.

      Cheers!  Mark

    • Profile PhotoMichael
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      @jeanpaul
      July 2, 2020 at 8:28 pm
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      #35452

      Thank you <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Zz”>@kamos-bakehouse-ltd</span> <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Mark”>@independant-consultant</span>

      My application is mostly in cold water, thus dissolving in alcohol wouldn’t be an option. Shear mixing is a great idea, although I was looking at a method where the DATEM is added to the cold water and through a simple stir would dissolve somewhat. I was thinking of using a non ionic surfactant to act as a solubilizer to aid in creating a dissolution such as polysorbate.Would that work?

      Regards,

      Jean-Paul

      • Profile PhotoLuke
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        @avogadro
        July 6, 2020 at 1:09 pm
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        #35462

        In a similar vein to the methanol comment, you could try using something like glycerol, propylene carbonate, or some other organic solvent. This will form a cosolvent which might create a system where DATEM is soluble whilst cold/room temp.

         

        Otherwise yeah, an ester like a polysorbate might also be a good bet.

    • Profile PhotoMichael
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      @jeanpaul
      July 11, 2020 at 6:39 pm
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      #35507

      Thank you so much Luke,

      I have been doing a lot of research lately and it seems its something to do with the HLB value, will try and to do some experiments and let you know how it goes.

      Regards,

      Jean-Paul

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